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Post by ivory on Jun 28, 2009 11:28:59 GMT -5
Touche' then. I recline from this battle.
lol. :-)
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Post by Cutebabys on Jul 6, 2009 3:57:55 GMT -5
Ah, we're going grammatic eh? I don't mind. Just don't go all scientific on me. So you don't believe in monotheism eh? All right. But the mark of the devil means one devil and therefore one mark so it can be recognized. And you said so yourself, it says THE and therefore suggests one devil and therefore, one god. So you're contradicting yourself when you use god and not God. I use them as god in the above because I'm trying to show you that there is one god.
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Post by ivory on Jul 6, 2009 9:55:01 GMT -5
Who doesn't believe in monotheism? Not that I mind, just wondering who she's talking to.
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Post by Cutebabys on Jul 10, 2009 10:05:12 GMT -5
Well, technically, I'm talking to Jezus but you can answer too. Some people don't believe in monotheism. Some believe in Greek Gods[Not many.]
*grins* I once met a satanist.
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Post by ivory on Jul 10, 2009 10:31:52 GMT -5
There are differnt kinds of satanists. And there are a lot of non-monotheisms - hence Wicca. Not all Wicca's the same. It's more of a personal belief so people can celebrate differently yet be the same. It's also known as witchcraft, but unlike Hollywood deems it, it's actually very peaceful and nice. Not saying that magick is used for all good, but those that use it for bad aren't Wiccans since Wiccans believe in the three-fold rule. That and they abide by one of the few laws that they all share: And harm none.
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Post by Cutebabys on Jul 11, 2009 1:51:56 GMT -5
Indeed.
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Post by Brandwyn on Jul 11, 2009 20:22:47 GMT -5
Not to mention a lot of Native American's believe in spirits and The Great Spirit, not gods.
There is also Hinuism which has a Pantheon of Gods and they believe that if you do right in the current life your sole comes back in the next life on the next higher plane.
There are actually quite a few different religions around the world that don't worship just one God, they just aren't generally accepted in mainstream American culture because this country was founded mostly by Quakers and Freemasons and other such fundamental Catholic or Christian type people.
(Oh, and the Wiccan's I know do not worship Satan. In fact they are adamently against that and get quite irate with anyone that compares Wicca to Satanism. Those are two completely different religions.)
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Post by Dougal on Jul 11, 2009 21:40:59 GMT -5
You know, S.M. Stirling's Emberverse series, particular the sequel series has a very interesting look at how people of various faiths would interact in near medieval conditions.
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Post by Cutebabys on Jul 12, 2009 2:30:35 GMT -5
*gives up* You guys are going scientific again.
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Post by ivory on Jul 12, 2009 7:30:51 GMT -5
Ditto on the Wiccan and Satanists. Wiccans don't even believe in Satan because he's a CHRISTIAN diety. And besides, Christians took many of their beliefs from other religions including Wicca. Christmas was taken from the Wiccan Yule; Easter - Ostara. The Horned God [male god of Wicca belief] was made into the devil. Christians wanted to take over so they put the word around that the Horned God was really an evil being. Then they adopted part of the Wiccan's religious beliefs so it wouldn't be much of a change from switching from one religion to another. Very smart actually...besides the fact that because of their lies they created Satanism. And they killed many who wouldn't convert. But if you think about it like a kind of war, it was actually pretty smart
Oh ja, Halloween was taken from a Wiccan Sabbath [holiday] too - Samhain.
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Post by Brandwyn on Jul 12, 2009 19:47:08 GMT -5
Actually all those were druidic and pagan holidays. The term 'Wicca' is more recent. Though esssentially the same religeon.
The Romans were the ones that stole those elements. They had a hard time controlling the populations in England/Scotland, etc and so they tried to merge their religious holidays with the Pagan festivals in order to keep the populace happier instead of banning the festivals altogether.
Halloween being the most obvious of those (all Hallow's eve on the even of All Saint's Day was the same day as Samhain - the harvest festival, so they got merged and then the we got all these weird part christian and part pagan traditions with jack-o-lanterns and giving out candy.)
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Post by ivory on Jul 12, 2009 19:50:04 GMT -5
I've read that Wiccan and pagan came from the same source, just kind of split when they were being prosecuted, but then again, my memory sucks. *grin*
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Post by Brandwyn on Jul 12, 2009 20:45:03 GMT -5
you mean persecuted, I think (tormented by the Christians? right?)
yeah, they were the ancient druids that they stemmed from. Just not sure when the term "wicca" came about. I think it was in the 1900's though, but I could be wrong about that. They were pretty secrative until the last couple decades.
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Post by ivory on Jul 13, 2009 7:27:59 GMT -5
Ja. It was around the last century that the name changed to Wicca, but it existed way before that. And thnx for the word correction. That one always gives me trouble. *grin*
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Post by Firehead on Jul 17, 2009 8:02:48 GMT -5
Guys, Around the world Christians have been persecuted by other religions more than any other religion. I want to ask a question: WHY?
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